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Adnan
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Aug 6, 2007
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Mohammad Rafi Versus Kishore kumar
who is best amung the bests. i am a great fan of Mohammd Rafi and Kishore kumar. but if someone ask me to choose just one i will choose Mohammad Rafi.beacause he also sung for kishore.kkishore is also a great fan of Mohammad Rafi.kishore kumar had only one photography in his bunglow and that photo was Mohammad Rafi 's photo. some songs of Mohammad Rafi are below.music director s say that only rafi could sung that songs. 1-man ray tu kahe na deer daray (chitrlekha) 2-ek haseen sham ko dil mera kho gaya (dulhan ek raat ki) 3-dil ki tumna the masti mein hum be(geharan hazaar ladhkeeyan) 4-O duniya k rukhwalay sun dard baray(baju bawra) 5-suhani raat dhaal chuke hai na jaane kab (dulari)
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Uzair
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Dec 22, 2007
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Re: Mohammad Rafi Versus Kishore kumar
One and Only One.....Rafi Sahab....!!!!! "It is even very stupid even to compare any other singer to Rafi Sahab" This was said by Kishore Kumar when he was asked by a journalist comparing Rafi sahab with him...!!!! Only Rafi sahab was the singer to sing Romantic songs, sad songs, bhajans, soft numbers, very high pitched songs, qawallies, classical songs, patriotic songs....Rafi is the only singer to sing song in the highest pitch possible.... kishore never sang a qawally except one on jetendra which was very mediocre, he never sang a bhajan, yes he sung semi-classical but not classical....he never sang patriotic songs.....he was not at all good at very high pitch songs...!!!
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Kate
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Jan 19, 2009
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Re: Mohammad Rafi Versus Kishore kumar
this is a stupid discussion,,,,Kishore admired Rafi Sahab more than anyone else could(except Lata mangeskar) because they were compared,want it or not u have to think of Rafi,,,,,I used Rafi`s name not because I`m partial but he is senior and also was respected by Kisore da himself…kishore kumar brought a banglaw,in which he had no picture atall other than that of Rafi sahab,this is not my word but that of kishore da`s who later added Rafi is peerless and better than any singer male(pointing to himself) or any female singer(pointing to lata)…Rafi sahab being a saint by personality didn`t knew this rat race of 1 or 2 so,,always concidered him as lovable as his brother and used to play songs of all the singer other than his own song at home,,,,its a very unique relation that normal people can never undersatand,,,and fued is a stupid word that gives ill feeling about contemporary singers fan`s towards these legends,,,stop this discussion now,,,,,Rafi sahab death saw the greatest crowd in funeral in india`s recorded history,kishore kumar told to press that they don`t know what a loss it is for this illmannered sick press only keep on discussing about numbers 1 or 2,,,see the heart of kishore kumar,,,what a great human being he was as far as topic of Rafi sahab is concerned,,,and you compare this two brothers,u narrow minded! why can`t both be great,,is greatness limited to only one person,,,listen to Kishore kumar tribute to Rafi sahab on youtube.com… Kate USA
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Kate
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Jan 19, 2009
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Re: Mohammad Rafi Versus Kishore kumar
this is a stupid discussion,,,,Kishore admired Rafi Sahab more than anyone else could(except Lata mangeskar) because they were compared,want it or not u have to think of Rafi,,,,,I used Rafi`s name not because I`m partial but he is senior and also was respected by Kisore da himself…kishore kumar brought a banglaw,in which he had no picture atall other than that of Rafi sahab,this is not my word(as adnan also told and I read it in American Council Library but that of kishore da`s who later added Rafi is peerless and better than any singer male(pointing to himself) or any female singer(pointing to lata)…Rafi sahab being a saint by personality didn`t knew this rat race of 1 or 2 so,,always concidered him as lovable as his brother and used to play songs of all the singer other than his own song at home,,,,its a very unique relation that normal people can never undersatand,,,and fued is a stupid word that gives ill feeling about contemporary singers fan`s towards these legends,,,stop this discussion now,,,,,Rafi sahab death saw the greatest crowd in funeral in india`s recorded history,kishore kumar told to press that they don`t know what a loss it is for this illmannered sick press only keep on discussing about numbers 1 or 2,,,see the heart of kishore kumar,,,what a great human being he was as far as topic of Rafi sahab is concerned,,,and you compare this two brothers,u narrow minded! why can`t both be great,,is greatness limited to only one person,,,listen to Kishore kumar tribute to Rafi sahab on youtube.com… Kate USA
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Savita
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Apr 11, 2009
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Re: Mohammad Rafi Versus Kishore kumar
http://arrahman.asia/index.php?topic=1557.0;wap2 Check above link(or many other related to Rahman) for what best music director of film industry AR Rahman says about Rafi sahab.He difines the word extraordinary with rfai sahab,,,,,,Even Rd burman,,though earlier he favoured kishore kum,after year 77 recorded most songs with Rafi not kishore,as rafi got Nobel prize for Rd song,even Rd recorded disco song uchho na yaar kya hua with Rafi not kishore,even Amitabh bachhan started opting Rafi later on in most of song,Amitabh` fav singer is rafi,every one knows it amitabh at recording of chal mere bhai out of reverence bowed rafi sahab at feet,he never did it with kishore kumar,,,,,Laxmikant Pyarelal,blvd Rafi sahab as his guru,Sd burman opted rafi for the dev anand song even though dev anand wanted Kis kum,,What would be said,,even dev anand after kya hua tera wada,parda hai parda ,sai baba,desh prame song song started opting Rafi not kishore u can check,,,,Sankar jaikishan,,madan mohan,Ravi ,etc,almost all music director concider rafi sahab best,,,even kishore kumar admited Rafi sahab beter than anyone ,male or female,,,,,,and abot Lat ji, no mater what context she said that but every one knows,when lata and rafi sang the same song of two different version,Rafi`s version was such a hit that people don`t know that even Lata sang that song,,like mere mehboob, pardesiyon se ankhiya,jab jab bahar aye, etc,,,,
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Anil
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Apr 14, 2009
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Re: Mohammad Rafi Versus Kishore kumar
what amitabh thought of Rafi has no relevance. Pancham(rd burman) did use rafi but even after 1977 his most songs are recorded with kishore and gr8 serious songs like Aanewala pal (1979), Rimzim gire sawan( 1978), gulmohar agar tumhara nam hota, semiclassical ("aapki aankhome), phir wahi raat hai. sdb always preferred kishore to rafi right from begining. if u see the real tadafdar song and catch tune in movie it was laways for kishore "hum matwale naujawan, mana janab ne pukara nahi, hum hai rhi pyar ke, ye dil na hota bechra, likha hai teri aankhome" rafi was preferred for slower songs and after aradhana sd burman completely favored kishore see prempujari, tere mere sapne, sharmili, gambler ( dilaaj shayar hai). rdb lways used rafi for nasir husain ut in abdulla see the serious song "ae khuda her faisala ter a muze manjur hai" a sad ong in contrast to light "maine pucha chandese". n act rd always refered nsused kishore in serious and romantic songs. the song "pucho na " is not disco. there asha scores. Lp did prefer rafi but even hey had to use kishore. in yarana kishore was the choice singer for ab. almost every amitah hit and memorable song is by kishore. the songs rafi sang in 1976-1980 under lp were mostly trash . he sang a couple of good songs with lp, rajesh roshan, rdb. but look at philosophical depth f kishore in that period " anewala pal", "kab tak andhere"., " "o sathi re", romnaic "humetme yar tna", " Chhoker mere manko",and songs like "ik rasta ai zidagi". besides amtkumar sang many hit numbers with rdb, rr, and ka from 1979to 980 so the cont for ishore is slightlylesserhan his sul count prior to hat. for one thing it is clear that india's master composer sd burman distictly identified kishore and prefered him as lead singer. He designed catchy tunes for him for years even though he was not a eadingsngernce his time came sdb switched to ishore ofcourse composer should genuinely use only one singer,.the way sd, rd used lata asha they used Kishore rafii.if song fits rafi oe hydid nothesitate to cll hi. rafi ways had psychologcl and nostalgia advantage that he was lead singer for 20 years.
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Savita
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Apr 15, 2009
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Re: Mohammad Rafi Versus Kishore kumar
a movie named Farz ki zung came in 1989 in which Rafi saab gave playback with bappi lehri,,although Rafi left this mortal world in 1980 yet many song came after his death,and some unrelesed songs are yet to be released,what does it say,,,all the data a person gets is of release not recording,similarly Kishore kumar`s song that have came in year 1977-78-79 were recorded much earlier may be in 74-75-72,so its simply stupid to compare these two legends on this basis,,,,,,however if u want to copmare ,why comparing half story,,compare the whole story,,who in Indian film industry is even dsitantly near to Rafi sahab who sang huge number of song 26,000,,,in career that saw 40s 50s 60s 70s and 80s,,,,,,,expcept controversially in this case ,,, lataji
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Darth
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May 6, 2009
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Re: Mohammad Rafi Versus Kishore kumar
There are 2 words - Great and Popular. The sysnonym for the first is Rafisaab and for the second is Kishore. I never understand how can Rafi and Kishore be compared. The first reason can be the period those 2 worked. As Kishore came later and became popular due the different kind of songs he sung than Rafisaab. These 2 can be compared on few points:
Versatility: When Rafisaab sung for some actor, it never appeared that Rafi is singing, but the actor is. And there was no limit on who the acotr is. Few classic examples are Shammi, Rajender Kumar, Johny Walker, Dilipsaab, Dev, Amitabh. But when KK sung even for Rajesh Khanna, the voice always sounded as Kishore's.
Type of songs: Rafisaab had no limits of what kind of song he could sing.
Range of voice: Rafisaab had definitely better. When Rafisaab sung, it always sounded like he's singing from heart while in case of Kishore it was just throatal. Try singing any song by these and you'd feel the difference.
Clarity: Each word in a Rafi song is crystal-clear.
As long as only singing is concerned Mukesh or Manna Dey were better option to compare with Rafi. We listen Kishore Kumar's song , while we feel Rafi's song by heart.Rafi was a playback singer for Shammi Kapoor, Dilip Kumar to Rajesh Khanna, Bachhan, while Kishore Kumar was mainly a singer for Bachhan and Rajesh Khanna. Rafi is for all generation while Kishore Kumar is mainly for young generation. Rafi's voice was more sweeter than Kishore. Kishore came in 50s, so more or less they were contemporary, but he had to wait for RD to come. No doubt that Kishore Kumar was a great singer and we enjoy lot of his songs. But we simply can not compare him with Rafi. Rafi is Rafi !!!!!!!!
Perhaps these two citings from Rafi thread on orkut clearly speaks how different two personalities were. Rafisaab is (yes IS, cuz he will always be alive in our hearts!) a classical singer, while Kishore da is just another. Kishore's pattern of singing is quite similar to Manna Dey, but again Manna Dey is a classical singer, Kishore isnt. However, there are lot of reasons for popularity for Kishore da, mainly due to RD and his lively nature to sing funny songs. If I see variety, I find more in kishore da's and less on Rafisaab, whose voice was naturally romantic. And I love to say that, cause I love to sing his every song and feel the romanticism in it, the beauty of voice which pours the feelings inside (even if its not there!). I love the depth Rafisaab goes into for any song, be it sad or romantic or a classical or bhakti! That depth is unmatched with anybody (ofcourse, you may compare him with legends like Manna Dey, Hemant Da and Talat, but actually I would say they all were legends, and hence Uncomparable!)
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Darth
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May 6, 2009
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Re: Mohammad Rafi Versus Kishore kumar
There are 2 words - Great and Popular. The sysnonym for the first is Rafisaab and for the second is Kishore. I never understand how can Rafi and Kishore be compared. The first reason can be the period those 2 worked. As Kishore came later and became popular due the different kind of songs he sung than Rafisaab.
These 2 can be compared on few points:
Versatility: When Rafisaab sung for some actor, it never appeared that Rafi is singing, but the actor is. And there was no limit on who the acotr is. Few classic examples are Shammi, Rajender Kumar, Johny Walker, Dilipsaab, Dev, Amitabh. But when KK sung even for Rajesh Khanna, the voice always sounded as Kishore's.
Type of songs: Rafisaab had no limits of what kind of song he could sing.
Range of voice: Rafisaab had definitely better. When Rafisaab sung, it always sounded like he's singing from heart while in case of Kishore it was just throatal. Try singing any song by these and you'd feel the difference.
Clarity: Each word in a Rafi song is crystal-clear.
As long as only singing is concerned Mukesh or Manna Dey were better option to compare with Rafi. We listen Kishore Kumar's song , while we feel Rafi's song by heart.Rafi was a playback singer for Shammi Kapoor, Dilip Kumar to Rajesh Khanna, Bachhan, while Kishore Kumar was mainly a singer for Bachhan and Rajesh Khanna. Rafi is for all generation while Kishore Kumar is mainly for young generation. Rafi's voice was more sweeter than Kishore. Kishore came in 50s, so more or less they were contemporary, but he had to wait for RD to come. No doubt that Kishore Kumar was a great singer and we enjoy lot of his songs. But we simply can not compare him with Rafi. Rafi is Rafi !!!!!!!!
Perhaps these two citings from Rafi thread on orkut clearly speaks how different two personalities were. Rafisaab is (yes IS, cuz he will always be alive in our hearts!) a classical singer, while Kishore da is just another. Kishore's pattern of singing is quite similar to Manna Dey, but again Manna Dey is a classical singer, Kishore isnt. However, there are lot of reasons for popularity for Kishore da, mainly due to RD and his lively nature to sing funny songs. If I see variety, I find more in kishore da's and less on Rafisaab, whose voice was naturally romantic. And I love to say that, cause I love to sing his every song and feel the romanticism in it, the beauty of voice which pours the feelings inside (even if its not there!). I love the depth Rafisaab goes into for any song, be it sad or romantic or a classical or bhakti! That depth is unmatched with anybody (ofcourse, you may compare him with legends like Manna Dey, Hemant Da and Talat, but actually I would say they all were legends, and hence Uncomparable!)
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S p syed
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May 10, 2009
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Re: Mohammad Rafi Versus Kishore kumar
Mohammed Rafi sahib still continues to entertain millions around the world. That makes Rafi and his voice and legacy immortal. He politely refused to copy other singers in case they get offended. "Kehta hai koi dil gaya dil bar gaya. Sahil hai pukarta samandar chala gaya. Jo baat sach hai kehta nahin koi, keh es dunya se musiqi ka payambar chala gaya," according to one tribute to Rafi sahib by the great poet Gulzar. That sums up the late great singer Mohammed Rafi. So, is it fair to compare him with others, alive or dead? Rafi sahib was above religious, race, cast, political, national and even commercial differences. As a Rafi-family friend, and neighbour in London, for over 50 years, I am honoured to have met the most humble, honourable and modest man that I ever knew in my whole lifetime. Some of his best songs are available subscription free at http://www.youtube.com/spsyed – a website dedicated to the entertainers and their fans. Enjoy, comment, rate, provide feedback, subscribe, join as friends, and share it far and wide.
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Anil
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May 31, 2009
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Re: Mohammad Rafi Versus Kishore kumar
no. The photograph in kishore's bungalow is of k.L.saigal, whom kishore idolized.after death of rafi kishore also put his photograph. regarding songs "man re tu kahe na dhir dhare" appaers dull and dry. compare with divine soft voice of kishofre "yeh jeevan hai"(piya ka ghar". rafi just can not sing in such soft soulful spellbound voice. please listen the song "kab tak andhere chalate rahenge"by "kishore in "bato bato me". again simly majestci. the hall s spellbound by he voice. no ther voice makes such an impact. apart from this five other songs of kishore which rafi will not e able to do justice(may sing, anybody can sing any song) are 1 zindagi ka safr -"safar" depth, philosophy 2 "aachalke tuze" - "door gagan ki chaonme3 vice quality" 3 jeeven se a haar jeenewale - "doorka rahi" 4 aanewala pal " 'philosophy", mood expression "golmaal" 5 "mai hu zumroo" - jollymood expression yoelling 6 ""koi hota jisko apona" - salil chouhry never preferred rfai neither preferred kishore but had to call kishore for this -sad song in all 3 octaves " achanak 7 kab tak anhjere"bato batome" 91980) rafi wals alive hen this was recorded composer rajesh roshan father "rafi ad mukesh bhakta" son "kishore bhakta" 8 yeh jeevan hai "piya ka ghar" -lp a rafi bhkat atleast 3 songs ra ost 75. u ave mentioned "o duniya ke rkhaewale" ya kishore may not be . rafi had astonishingly high range. but even kishore had high range and unlike rafi is voice never used to tremble at high range and etaind it's depth ( check mere naino sawan bhado" besides kishore was extremely good at singing lower notes in lower octave which is rare ability and possessed by few. i personally do not like "o duniya ke rakhawle" and many do not. every singer has sme sogs where the singer's voice has best fit and for rafi i would select "khoya khoya chand" under s.d burman and " pukarata chala hu mai " under roshan", "dilke zarokome " under shanker jaikishan, "bekhudi me sanam" under kalayanji anandji. do not like rfai-roshn and rafi-lp combinations .they are dull, kishore has avoided swaroatics mostly 9 electrifying taan a variation which is ot taken by latain the duet "aankho me hune aapke ", and "jab bhi koi kngana bole -1987 - "shaukin' are exceptions). his singing was based on the philosophy of catching moodofthe song rafi was ased on "pronounciation of words like "nichoda in "zindagi bhar nahi bhulegi brsat ki raat". sorafi was a "word stress singing style kishore's was "a style catching mood and based on "laya" of the song. as regards impossiblity please refer to the song "gujar gaye din din " compsed by salil chaudhary in "annadata". this is a straight progression and very difficult to sing. in words of salil chouhary that he was running aftr kihore for 15 days to get him to sing as he is the only one whocan do 905 justice to the tune! now what aout this1salil was a "mukesh" fan in hindi and yet his one of the ost memrable and difficult male tune is woith kishore "koi hota jisko aona" . only other such dificult tune of salil is "zindagi kaisi hai paheli" by manna de in annand apart from "gujar gaye " mentioned above. do u know that salil mae rfai take 36 reatkes for "tute hue khwabome" in madhumati. so as eagrds tunes which an not be sung by others is not rafi monoploy. lta mangeshkar claerly remarked many times that in serious songs "kishore" is ultimate and he was the best singer in all of them( in recent interview with maharashtra times when she turned 80. in the sane interview she says that she loves her duets with rafi most. remeber kishore was spoted and nurtured by the greates md of India "s.d burman". as far as sugam sangeet is considered kishore was the graetes male singer of india. likewise afi used to say that e listens songs of only Manna de in his home for classicla rendition mastery.
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Adnan
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Jun 8, 2009
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Re: Mohammad Rafi Versus Kishore kumar
[[[[[[no. The photograph in kishore's bungalow is of k.L.saigal, whom kishore idolized.after death of rafi kishore also put his photograph. My Dear Friend, what u mention above is Only ur personel thinking. there is no truth in your story. K/L SAIGAL WAS AN ORDINARY SINGER. WHERE WAS YOUR KISHORE IN 50'S 60'S EVEN IN 70'S. NODOUT KISHORE WAS LEGEND.BUT M.RAFI WAS & IS KING OF ALL LEGENDS. KISHORE KUMAR WON HIS FIRST FILMFARE AWARD FOR SONG" Roop Tera Mastana".Do u think its better than Rafi's "Badi Mastani Hai Meri Mehboob".
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