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Adnan Aug 6, 2007
Mohammad Rafi Versus Kishore kumar

who is best amung the bests.

i am a great fan of Mohammd Rafi and Kishore kumar.

but if someone ask me to choose just one i will choose Mohammad Rafi.beacause he also sung for kishore.kkishore is also a great fan of Mohammad Rafi.kishore kumar had only one photography in his bunglow and that photo was Mohammad Rafi 's photo.

some songs of Mohammad Rafi are below.music director s say that only rafi could sung that songs.

1-man ray tu kahe na deer daray (chitrlekha)

2-ek haseen sham ko dil mera kho gaya (dulhan ek raat ki)

3-dil ki tumna the masti mein hum be(geharan hazaar ladhkeeyan)

4-O duniya k rukhwalay sun dard  baray(baju bawra)

5-suhani raat dhaal chuke hai na jaane kab  (dulari)

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Amit Aug 6, 2007
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u show a lot of enthusiasm adnan good thing  well i like both of them  kishore kumar and mohd rafi were versatile singers  so cant compare the two
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Uzair Dec 22, 2007
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One and Only One.....Rafi Sahab....!!!!!

"It is even very stupid even to compare any other singer to Rafi Sahab"

This was said by Kishore Kumar when he was asked by a journalist comparing Rafi sahab with him...!!!!

Only Rafi sahab was the singer to sing

Romantic songs, sad songs, bhajans, soft numbers, very high pitched songs, qawallies, classical songs, patriotic songs....Rafi is the only singer to sing song in the highest pitch possible....

kishore never sang a qawally except one on jetendra which was very mediocre, he never sang a bhajan, yes he sung semi-classical but not classical....he never sang patriotic songs.....he was not at all good at very high pitch songs...!!!

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*sam* Dec 22, 2007
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Mohammed Rafi is best Cool
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Byeeee, mei ja raha hoon......... ....... Dec 22, 2007
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Both r very good
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*sam* Dec 22, 2007
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yes Mishti you are right Both r very good
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*sam* Dec 22, 2007
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i am Wrong u r right Tongue out
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Kkfan Jan 25, 2008
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There is no comparison for Kishore. He was way ahead of Rafi. There is nothing great to sing Qawaali, Bhajan and other types of songs. My dear friend, MDs did not offer these kind of songs, because there are other soft/thin voice singers who can sing those songs.

He sang Qawaalis whihc are super hit nas still popular

- Haal kya hai dilo ka

- Sachhai chhup nahi sakti (Mujra mix)

He did not get chance to sing bhajan and other types of sing, i m sure he could hav edone better justice to those songs as well.

No comparison to Kishore. he is only and simply best..... 

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Adnan Jan 26, 2008
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Dear K.K FAN...U SAID.

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He did not get chance to sing bhajan and other types of sing[Beacause music directors do not think so,he could able to do it.], i m sure he could have done better justice to those songs as well.[only u thinks ,not Music directors like L-P,S-J,Naushad].

Rafi is the best.

my dear.

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Feb 3, 2008
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kishore kumar rox!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Adnan Feb 6, 2008
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Rayees Feb 6, 2008
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hello dears:

                   I think that all that gilters is not gold. East or west Rafi Sahib is the best. I love his melodius voice as well as his smiling face.

                  Oh Almighty Allah Give him a gorgious garden in heaven.

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Sarik Apr 8, 2008
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aaj ki ees generation mein rafi se jyada kishore ka crease hai.K for king.k for kishore nahi dekhte kya?? Rafi v top singer hain but kishore have all the qualities to be singer.his dasssssing voice
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Anil May 7, 2008
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kishore sang bhajans. in fact in a movie where lp used rafi for many songs they used kishore for bajan "muze prem ka rog laga!". infact bhajan singer anup jalota's style is lot based on Kishore. he himself said it in interview. kishore sang ghazals as well( mere mehbbob kayamat hogi dil aaj shayar hai) and had electrifying characterstic kishore taan "aankhoe humne aapke sapane sajaye hai " duet with lata ( khayyam composer) and jab bhi koi kangana bole pyal khamnak jaye ( RD burman). kishore wanted to do an lp of bhajans of kabir privately just bfore he died. Also ghazal is famous for words there is lesser scope for music qawwali Is group singing. rarely quawwali's form offbeat scores. kishore expressed "hume tumse pyar kitana" in a soft voice and  specialpronounciation . in fact lata said she cant excel the impact of kishore's rendition ( which was first) and suggested RD burman to get the mujra recoreded form classicla singer "parveen sultana"  to match the effect of soft voice with classical nuances. no other singer in india has sung a full song  whoose other version is sung by classical singer.  The voice of Kishore in songs like "kab tak andhere chalate rahenge", "yeh jeevan hai" zindagi ka safar is unimitable and immortal. such types of songs are not listed in types above . his singing for "mere sang sang aaya teri yadoka mela " is modern and has ditict style
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Adnan May 7, 2008
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YES,DEAR U R RIGHT K.K SUNG BHAJANS GHAZALS KAWWWWALEEES.

BUT,STANDARD OF THESE BHAJANS KAWALES,GHAZALS ARE VERY LOW THAN RAFI.

RAFI SUNG ALL TIME GREAT BHAJAN "SUKH K SAB SATHI DUKH MEIN NA KOI"

RAFI SUNG ALL TIME GREAT KAWALI"NA TU CARVAN KI TALASH HAI"

RAFI SUNG ALL TIME GREAT GHAZAL"PATA PATA BOOTA BOOTA HAAL HUMARA JANE RAY.

Rafi was & is legend .

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Ginsoakedboy May 7, 2008
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hey Adnan

 I like Kishor for the enegry in the songs but I also liked lots of Rafi songs like "Na Kisi Ki Aankh Ka Noor Hoon".

But I think what you are saying is pefectly right if Kishor is great fan of Rafi than no arguments needed. 

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Adnan May 8, 2008
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yes,well said ,dear.

reply other friends. what do u think?

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mohammad rafi is best best best best
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Anil May 12, 2008
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kishore has sung man re tu kahe na hir dhare in the tribute to rafi.
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Mohammad Rafi is The best
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yeh donokaun hain?
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*aashna kumarr* Jun 18, 2008
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i luv both of them and they r really good
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Kate Jan 19, 2009
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yes u r write adnan I recently read in american council library about Rafi sahab,,,and ur photograpph story...
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Kate Jan 19, 2009
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this is a stupid discussion,,,,Kishore admired Rafi Sahab more than anyone else could(except Lata mangeskar) because they were compared,want it or not u have to think of Rafi,,,,,I used Rafi`s name not because I`m partial but he is senior and also was respected by Kisore da himself…kishore kumar brought a banglaw,in which he had no picture atall other than that of Rafi sahab,this is not my word but that of kishore da`s who later added Rafi is peerless and better than any singer male(pointing to himself) or any female singer(pointing to lata)…Rafi sahab being a saint by personality didn`t knew this rat race of 1 or 2 so,,always concidered him as lovable as his brother and used to play songs of all the singer other than his own song at home,,,,its a very unique relation that normal people can never undersatand,,,and fued is a stupid word that gives ill feeling about contemporary singers fan`s towards these legends,,,stop this discussion now,,,,,Rafi sahab death saw the greatest crowd in funeral in india`s recorded history,kishore kumar told to press that they don`t know what a loss it is for this illmannered sick press only keep on discussing about numbers 1 or 2,,,see the heart of kishore kumar,,,what a great human being he was as far as topic of Rafi sahab is concerned,,,and you compare this two brothers,u narrow minded! why can`t both be great,,is greatness limited to only one person,,,listen to Kishore kumar tribute to Rafi sahab on youtube.com…

Kate
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Kate Jan 19, 2009
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this is a stupid discussion,,,,Kishore admired Rafi Sahab more than anyone else could(except Lata mangeskar) because they were compared,want it or not u have to think of Rafi,,,,,I used Rafi`s name not because I`m partial but he is senior and also was respected by Kisore da himself…kishore kumar brought a banglaw,in which he had no picture atall other than that of Rafi sahab,this is not my word(as adnan also told and I read it in American Council Library  but that of kishore da`s who later added Rafi is peerless and better than any singer male(pointing to himself) or any female singer(pointing to lata)…Rafi sahab being a saint by personality didn`t knew this rat race of 1 or 2 so,,always concidered him as lovable as his brother and used to play songs of all the singer other than his own song at home,,,,its a very unique relation that normal people can never undersatand,,,and fued is a stupid word that gives ill feeling about contemporary singers fan`s towards these legends,,,stop this discussion now,,,,,Rafi sahab death saw the greatest crowd in funeral in india`s recorded history,kishore kumar told to press that they don`t know what a loss it is for this illmannered sick press only keep on discussing about numbers 1 or 2,,,see the heart of kishore kumar,,,what a great human being he was as far as topic of Rafi sahab is concerned,,,and you compare this two brothers,u narrow minded! why can`t both be great,,is greatness limited to only one person,,,listen to Kishore kumar tribute to Rafi sahab on youtube.com… Kate USA
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Anil Jan 20, 2009
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Kishore sang beautiful bhajans. in aaspas where rafi sang many songs kishore was called for bhajan "muze pyar ka rog laga". if u ote hat famous bhajan singer "anup jalota" s voice is similar to kishore annd he has also remarked hat in college days he was asked to sing many kishore songs.

As far as gazal is considered the two gazals "dil aaj shair hai" and "mere mehboob kayamat hogi" come to mnd.

Rafi has never been able to render a song in such effective voice as at i kishore's " kab tak andhere manko chalenge" or "ye jeevan hai"( so soft voice softer thahn lori),  "jeevan se na haar jeenevale", "zindagi ka safr hai ye kaisa safr", " aanewala pal"

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Savita Apr 11, 2009
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http://arrahman.asia/index.php?topic=1557.0;wap2

Check above link(or many other related to Rahman) for what best music director of film industry AR Rahman says about Rafi sahab.He difines the word extraordinary with rfai sahab,,,,,,Even Rd burman,,though earlier he favoured kishore kum,after year 77 recorded most songs with Rafi not kishore,as rafi got Nobel prize for Rd song,even Rd recorded disco song uchho na yaar kya hua with Rafi not kishore,even Amitabh bachhan started opting Rafi later on in most of song,Amitabh` fav singer is rafi,every one knows it amitabh at recording of chal mere bhai out of reverence bowed rafi sahab at feet,he never did it with kishore kumar,,,,,Laxmikant Pyarelal,blvd Rafi sahab as his guru,Sd burman opted rafi for the dev anand song even though dev anand wanted Kis kum,,What would be said,,even dev anand after kya hua tera wada,parda hai parda ,sai baba,desh prame song song started opting Rafi not kishore u can check,,,,Sankar jaikishan,,madan mohan,Ravi ,etc,almost all music director concider rafi sahab best,,,even kishore kumar admited Rafi sahab beter than anyone ,male or female,,,,,,and abot Lat ji, no mater what context she said that but every one knows,when lata and rafi sang the same song of two different version,Rafi`s version was such a hit that people don`t know that even Lata sang that song,,like mere mehboob, pardesiyon se ankhiya,jab jab bahar aye, etc,,,,

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Savita Apr 12, 2009
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sory I wrote noble prize rather I had to write national award,,,,,I regret for such a minor literal error!I hope no one would mind it as its not the part of discussion….
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Anil Apr 14, 2009
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what amitabh thought of Rafi has no relevance. Pancham(rd burman)  did use rafi but even after 1977 his most songs are recorded with kishore and gr8 serious songs like Aanewala pal (1979), Rimzim gire sawan( 1978), gulmohar agar tumhara nam hota, semiclassical ("aapki aankhome), phir wahi raat hai.

 sdb always preferred kishore to rafi right from begining. if u see the real tadafdar song and catch tune in movie it was laways for kishore "hum matwale naujawan, mana janab ne pukara nahi, hum hai rhi pyar ke, ye dil na hota bechra, likha hai teri aankhome" rafi was preferred for slower songs and after aradhana sd burman completely favored kishore see prempujari, tere mere sapne, sharmili, gambler ( dilaaj shayar hai). rdb lways used rafi for nasir husain ut in abdulla see the serious song "ae khuda her faisala ter a muze manjur hai" a sad ong in contrast to light "maine pucha chandese". n act rd always refered nsused kishore in serious and romantic songs. the song "pucho na " is not disco. there asha scores. Lp did prefer rafi but even hey had to use kishore.

 in yarana kishore was the choice singer for ab. almost every amitah hit and memorable song is by kishore. the songs rafi sang in 1976-1980 under lp were mostly trash . he sang a couple of good songs with lp, rajesh roshan, rdb. but look at philosophical depth f kishore in that period " anewala pal", "kab tak andhere"., " "o sathi re", romnaic "humetme yar tna", " Chhoker mere manko",and songs like "ik rasta ai zidagi". besides amtkumar sang many hit numbers with rdb, rr, and ka from 1979to 980 so the cont for ishore is slightlylesserhan his sul count prior to hat. for one thing it is clear that india's master composer sd burman distictly identified kishore and prefered him as lead singer. He designed catchy tunes for him for years even though he was not a eadingsngernce his time came sdb switched to ishore ofcourse  composer should genuinely use only one singer,.the way sd, rd used lata  asha they used  Kishore  rafii.if song fits rafi oe hydid nothesitate to cll hi. rafi ways had psychologcl and nostalgia advantage that he was lead singer for 20 years.

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Savita Apr 15, 2009
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a movie named Farz ki zung came in 1989 in which Rafi saab gave playback with bappi lehri,,although Rafi left this mortal world in 1980 yet many song came after his death,and some unrelesed songs are yet to be released,what does it say,,,all the data a person gets is of release not recording,similarly Kishore kumar`s song that have came in year 1977-78-79 were recorded much earlier may be in 74-75-72,so its simply stupid to compare these two legends on this basis,,,,,,however if u want to copmare ,why comparing half story,,compare the whole story,,who in Indian film industry is even dsitantly near to Rafi sahab who sang huge number of song  26,000,,,in career that saw 40s 50s 60s 70s and 80s,,,,,,,expcept controversially in this case ,,, lataji
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Anil Apr 16, 2009
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mohd rafi has sung around 6000 songs same as lata. kishore has sung around 3000 and sha has sung 12000 songs.

number of songs  do not determine the gr8. 

 the songs of kishore like ye jeevan hai, "kab tak andhere, "jeevan se na har jeenevale", "zindagi ka safar", "aanewla al" etc put him in lass part for divine majestic voice. kishore will more appael to classe ut he had other gener which got im popuaity in masses esecily in youth. 

rafi songs ae good some rafi songs are ice weter melodies, some rafi songs like "khoykhoy chand", etc are very melodious but it stops there.the voice may e ore uitle for maycoosed sogs ut divineness and r8 depth tenderness nd softness was ith ihore. it was  gr8 genis of rd urman that emade he oice popular in youth as otherwise thevoic ould have remaned voice of classes and would not have patrroned .

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Alvida>>> sarfraz_saifi 14@yahoo.com Apr 16, 2009
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mujhe to bahut dukh ho raha hai...........ke yaha par RAFI SAHAB ka comparison kisi ke sath ho raha hai..............

 

UNKO KHUDA MILE HAI KHUDA KI JINE TALAASH MUJHKO BAS IK JHALAK MERE "RAFI SAHAB" KI MILE............

We R vry unlucky dat we couldnt met RAFI sahab............

All his songzz R best..........no comparison.........

AT LAST..........RAFI SAHAB IS THE BEST..........

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Akshat May 2, 2009
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Aah..dnt cmpare...... If u like rafi then ok...why u cmparing him to kishore da? Dis pole iz jst lyk...hmmm.. Who iz better b/w bryan adams n b0n j0vi... Crap...! N0 doubt dat Rafi was a legend bt kishore was als0 gr8 singer.. Kishore was nt only singer, he was also a gud actor n also a gud mimicry artist..... Even kish0re sang a sng in lata's voice.... They b0th were equally talented persn... Plz dnt insult kishore and rafi and dnt waste ur time in such kinda of idi0tic f0rums.....!
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Darth May 6, 2009
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There are 2 words - Great and Popular. The sysnonym for the first is Rafisaab and for the second is Kishore. I never understand how can Rafi and Kishore be compared. The first reason can be the period those 2 worked. As Kishore came later and became popular due the different kind of songs he sung than Rafisaab.

These 2 can be compared on few points:

Versatility: When Rafisaab sung for some actor, it never appeared that Rafi is singing, but the actor is. And there was no limit on who the acotr is. Few classic examples are Shammi, Rajender Kumar, Johny Walker, Dilipsaab, Dev, Amitabh. But when KK sung even for Rajesh Khanna, the voice always sounded as Kishore's.

Type of songs: Rafisaab had no limits of what kind of song he could sing.

Range of voice: Rafisaab had definitely better.
When Rafisaab sung, it always sounded like he's singing from heart while in case of Kishore it was just throatal. Try singing any song by these and you'd feel the difference.

Clarity: Each word in a Rafi song is crystal-clear.

As long as only singing is concerned Mukesh or Manna Dey were better option to compare with Rafi. We listen Kishore Kumar's song , while we feel Rafi's song by heart.Rafi was a playback singer for Shammi Kapoor, Dilip Kumar to Rajesh Khanna, Bachhan, while Kishore Kumar was mainly a singer for Bachhan and Rajesh Khanna. Rafi is for all generation while Kishore Kumar is mainly for young generation. Rafi's voice was more sweeter than Kishore. Kishore came in 50s, so more or less they were contemporary, but he had to wait for RD to come. No doubt that Kishore Kumar was a great singer and we enjoy lot of his songs. But we simply can not compare him with Rafi.
Rafi is Rafi !!!!!!!!


Perhaps these two citings from Rafi thread on orkut clearly speaks how different two personalities were. Rafisaab is (yes IS, cuz he will always be alive in our hearts!) a classical singer, while Kishore da is just another. Kishore's pattern of singing is quite similar to Manna Dey, but again Manna Dey is a classical singer, Kishore isnt. However, there are lot of reasons for popularity for Kishore da, mainly due to RD and his lively nature to sing funny songs. If I see variety, I find more in kishore da's and less on Rafisaab, whose voice was naturally romantic. And I love to say that, cause I love to sing his every song and feel the romanticism in it, the beauty of voice which pours the feelings inside (even if its not there!). I love the depth Rafisaab goes into for any song, be it sad or romantic or a classical or bhakti! That depth is unmatched with anybody (ofcourse, you may compare him with legends like Manna Dey, Hemant Da and Talat, but actually I would say they all were legends, and hence Uncomparable!)

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Darth May 6, 2009
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There are 2 words - Great and Popular. The sysnonym for the first is Rafisaab and for the second is Kishore. I never understand how can Rafi and Kishore be compared. The first reason can be the period those 2 worked. As Kishore came later and became popular due the different kind of songs he sung than Rafisaab.

These 2 can be compared on few points:

Versatility: When Rafisaab sung for some actor, it never appeared that Rafi is singing, but the actor is. And there was no limit on who the acotr is. Few classic examples are Shammi, Rajender Kumar, Johny Walker, Dilipsaab, Dev, Amitabh. But when KK sung even for Rajesh Khanna, the voice always sounded as Kishore's.

Type of songs: Rafisaab had no limits of what kind of song he could sing.

Range of voice: Rafisaab had definitely better.
When Rafisaab sung, it always sounded like he's singing from heart while in case of Kishore it was just throatal. Try singing any song by these and you'd feel the difference.

Clarity: Each word in a Rafi song is crystal-clear.

As long as only singing is concerned Mukesh or Manna Dey were better option to compare with Rafi. We listen Kishore Kumar's song , while we feel Rafi's song by heart.Rafi was a playback singer for Shammi Kapoor, Dilip Kumar to Rajesh Khanna, Bachhan, while Kishore Kumar was mainly a singer for Bachhan and Rajesh Khanna. Rafi is for all generation while Kishore Kumar is mainly for young generation. Rafi's voice was more sweeter than Kishore. Kishore came in 50s, so more or less they were contemporary, but he had to wait for RD to come. No doubt that Kishore Kumar was a great singer and we enjoy lot of his songs. But we simply can not compare him with Rafi.
Rafi is Rafi !!!!!!!!


Perhaps these two citings from Rafi thread on orkut clearly speaks how different two personalities were. Rafisaab is (yes IS, cuz he will always be alive in our hearts!) a classical singer, while Kishore da is just another. Kishore's pattern of singing is quite similar to Manna Dey, but again Manna Dey is a classical singer, Kishore isnt. However, there are lot of reasons for popularity for Kishore da, mainly due to RD and his lively nature to sing funny songs. If I see variety, I find more in kishore da's and less on Rafisaab, whose voice was naturally romantic. And I love to say that, cause I love to sing his every song and feel the romanticism in it, the beauty of voice which pours the feelings inside (even if its not there!). I love the depth Rafisaab goes into for any song, be it sad or romantic or a classical or bhakti! That depth is unmatched with anybody (ofcourse, you may compare him with legends like Manna Dey, Hemant Da and Talat, but actually I would say they all were legends, and hence Uncomparable!)

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S p syed May 10, 2009
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Mohammed Rafi sahib still continues to entertain millions around the world. That makes Rafi and his voice and legacy immortal. He politely refused to copy other singers in case they get offended. "Kehta hai koi dil gaya dil bar gaya. Sahil hai pukarta samandar chala gaya. Jo baat sach hai kehta nahin koi, keh es dunya se musiqi ka payambar chala gaya," according to one tribute to Rafi sahib by the great poet Gulzar. That sums up the late great singer Mohammed Rafi. So, is it fair to compare him with others, alive or dead? Rafi sahib was above religious, race, cast, political, national and even commercial differences. As a Rafi-family friend, and neighbour in London, for over 50 years, I am honoured to have met the most humble, honourable and modest man that I ever knew in my whole lifetime. Some of his best songs are available subscription free at http://www.youtube.com/spsyed – a website dedicated to the entertainers and their fans. Enjoy, comment, rate, provide feedback, subscribe, join as friends, and share it far and wide.
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Anil May 23, 2009
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rafi can not sing the songs " ye jeevan hai, "zindagi ka safar", "kab tak andhere ", "ane wala pal"  in such soft, philospohical, deep, sweet voice. kishore has sung patritic song "hum hai hinostanke" a very good song. kishore has sung the bhajan "muze prem ka rog laga" solo when other songs in movie weere sung  "rafi" and the bhajan "sagare jagat ka tu rakhwala with mahendra kapur
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hmmmm Nice Discussion...but again i wud lyk 2 say choice defiantly vary here once again... hmm i m gr8 FAN of BOTH ......nd i think both wer best ... but if u say whoz better thn both.....i wud choose KISHOR KUMAR.....reason is well-know....n....w he hd a lot of variations...
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Adnan May 31, 2009
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M.Rafi was truely a greatest male singer of bollywood.

  Jaag dil-e-diwana rutt aye wasla-e-yaar ki.

 masti mein chhed k tarana koi dil ka.

         kishore can not sing scuh great songs.

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gR8 dIss. fRnS mY faV Mohammad Rafi....
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Anil May 31, 2009
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no. The photograph in kishore's bungalow is of k.L.saigal,  whom kishore idolized.after death of rafi kishore also put his photograph.

regarding songs "man re tu kahe na dhir dhare" appaers dull and dry.

 compare with divine soft voice of kishofre "yeh jeevan hai"(piya ka ghar". rafi just can not sing in such soft soulful spellbound voice.

please listen the song "kab tak andhere chalate rahenge"by "kishore in "bato bato me". again simly majestci. the hall s spellbound by he voice. no ther voice makes such an impact.

 apart from this five other songs of kishore which rafi will not e able to do justice(may sing, anybody can sing any song)

are

1 zindagi ka safr -"safar" depth, philosophy

2 "aachalke tuze" - "door gagan ki chaonme3 vice quality"

3 jeeven se a haar jeenewale  - "doorka rahi"

4 aanewala pal " 'philosophy", mood expression "golmaal"

5 "mai hu zumroo" - jollymood expression yoelling

6 ""koi hota jisko apona" - salil chouhry never preferred rfai neither preferred kishore but had to call kishore for this -sad song in all 3 octaves " achanak

7 kab tak anhjere"bato batome" 91980) rafi wals alive hen this was recorded composer rajesh roshan father "rafi ad mukesh bhakta" son "kishore bhakta"

8 yeh jeevan hai "piya ka ghar" -lp a rafi bhkat

 atleast 3 songs ra ost 75.

 u ave mentioned "o duniya ke rkhaewale" ya kishore may not be . rafi had astonishingly high range. but even kishore had high range and unlike rafi is voice never used to tremble at high range and etaind it's depth ( check mere naino sawan bhado" besides kishore was extremely good at singing lower notes in lower octave which is rare ability and possessed by few. i personally do not like "o duniya ke rakhawle" and many do not. every singer has sme sogs where the singer's voice has best fit and for rafi i would select "khoya khoya chand" under s.d burman and " pukarata chala hu mai " under roshan", "dilke zarokome " under shanker jaikishan, "bekhudi me sanam" under kalayanji anandji.  do not like rfai-roshn and rafi-lp combinations .they are dull,

kishore has avoided swaroatics mostly 9 electrifying taan a variation which is ot taken by latain the duet "aankho me hune aapke ", and "jab bhi koi kngana bole -1987 - "shaukin' are exceptions). his singing was based on the philosophy of catching moodofthe song

rafi was ased on "pronounciation of words like "nichoda in "zindagi bhar nahi bhulegi brsat ki raat". sorafi was a "word stress singing style kishore's was "a style catching mood and based on "laya" of the song.

as regards impossiblity please refer to the song "gujar gaye din din " compsed by salil chaudhary in "annadata". this is a straight progression and very difficult to sing. in words of salil chouhary that he was running aftr kihore for 15 days to get him to sing as he is the only one whocan do 905 justice to the tune! now what aout this1salil was a "mukesh" fan in hindi and yet his one of the ost memrable and difficult male tune is woith kishore "koi hota jisko aona" . only other such dificult tune of salil is "zindagi kaisi hai paheli" by manna de in annand apart from "gujar gaye " mentioned above.

do u know that salil mae rfai take 36 reatkes for "tute hue khwabome" in madhumati. 

so as eagrds tunes which an not be sung by others is not rafi monoploy. lta mangeshkar claerly remarked many times that in serious songs "kishore" is ultimate and he was the best singer in all of them( in recent interview with maharashtra times when she turned 80. in the sane interview she says that she loves her duets with rafi most.

remeber kishore was spoted and nurtured by the greates md of India "s.d burman". 

 as far as sugam sangeet is considered kishore was the graetes male singer of india. likewise afi used to say that e listens songs of only Manna de in his home for classicla rendition mastery.

 

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Adnan Jun 8, 2009
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                             [[[[[[no. The photograph in kishore's bungalow is of k.L.saigal,  whom kishore idolized.after death of rafi kishore also put his photograph.

         My Dear Friend,

                                   what u mention above is Only ur personel thinking. there is no truth in your story.

 K/L SAIGAL WAS AN ORDINARY SINGER.

     WHERE WAS YOUR KISHORE IN 50'S 60'S EVEN IN 70'S.

NODOUT KISHORE WAS LEGEND.BUT M.RAFI WAS & IS KING OF ALL LEGENDS.

          KISHORE KUMAR WON HIS FIRST FILMFARE AWARD FOR SONG"

Roop Tera Mastana".Do u think its better than Rafi's "Badi Mastani Hai Meri Mehboob".

  

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Shashank bye 4ever sorry behen me rishta nahi nibha paya Jun 8, 2009
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chala jaata hun kisi  ki dhun me  dhadkte  dil ke tarane liye
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Anil Jun 10, 2009
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if somebody can call k.l saigal an ordinary singer then clealry there can be no discussion as everybody including lata idolize him. also badi mastani hai is too mediocre a song to even comapre with roop tera mastana . where is dada burman composition with superb innovative orchestration of "roop tera mastana" and where is stree composition of dholaktaal laxmikant pyarelal who are generally credited with ruining bollywood music though they have given some memorable songsand most which are again in voice of kishore!

 if some body's taste is badi mastani hai then sorry i wil back out beacuse this is street singing and not singing for classes. forget of rafi versus kishore i would like u to listen salil cjhoudfhary compositions or the saregamapa show on zee marathi where excellent clasical semiclassical and pop tunes composed by stalwarts like rhidyanath mangeshkar, sriniwas khale etc are rendered. it seems that people have forgotten test for what is classy and good taste music! please note that there is no kishore here!. this is just an illustration of what is good muisc as opposed to trash "badi mastani hai meri mehbooba"

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Adnan Jun 11, 2009
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All You Said Above is Your Personal Opinon.   We all the Fans of Rafi cannot agree with You.   ‘Badi Mastani Hai “ in ur opinion is average song. You seem to be a big fan of Salil Chaudry & R.D Burman.  Salil used Rafi for some of his best tunes. “Toote Hue Khawaboon ne” from Madhumati is an example.Madhumati is his best work.But Salil dada did not use  your Kishore kumar  for any song.  R.D Burman Used Rafi for one of his best tunes.  “Teesri Manzil “was big hit .The music of the film was Superb. Rafi  Sung all the songs.He did not Use K.K
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Adnan Jun 11, 2009
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 K.L.SAIGAL WAS AN AVERAGE OR POOR SINGER.

I AM NOT THE MAD FOLLOWER OF ANYONE.

If Rafi Liked him ,it was his personal choice.

 K.L.SAIGAL 'S voice was very ordinary.

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Adnan Jun 13, 2009
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dear friends read it,

It is an astonishing fact that O.P. Nayar used Rafi to sing for Kishore Kumar the unforgettable tune Man Mora Bawra in Ragini in 1957. Shanker Jaikishan also had Rafi to sing Ajab Hai Dastan in Shararat in 1958. Says record museum owner Vinod Santhalia, It is simply amazing. Imagine Mohd. Rafi sang for Kishore Kumar in films Kishore himself acted.

Shanker Jaikishan commented, No doubt Kishore Kumar is a good singer. He sang beautifully for me in Rangoli. But Ajab Hai Dastan was simply not Kishores cup of tea. The mukhdas and antaras required a singer of Rafis range and classical background

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Anil Jun 13, 2009
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slil chodhary kishore for one of his two best tumes (koi hota jisko apna hum pana kahalte yaro a very diificult tune which uses all 3 octaves for a sad song. similarly he waited for kishore for the very diificult tue "gujar gay din" as he said only kishore can do 905 justice to this. tute hue khwabome sgood but not regaded in best of salil choudhary tunes. in the same movie for dilip he used " mukesh" suahan safar " which isa classic tune.

Sj used rafi for kishore for two reasons kishore was busy acig and no time for rehersals and politics. in the same movie the best tune is given to kishore. the tuns wchich sj used kisore even in fities were the gr8 "nakharewali, chotisi ye duniya", rangoli sajyaye" as i said chitragupta used kishore for a clssical and very hit song "payalwali dekh na" in ganga ki lahare. true kishore was not the most sought after singer in fifties and he was struggling. everybody listend lata saying amonst all kishore was the best singer. asha remarhed kishore is 1.5 times rafi . the bharatratna bhimsen joshi thegreatest classical singer of india is a fan of kishore. anyway rafi's classical is matched by other type of yodelling alalps kishore has taken in mai hu zumroo, nakhrewali. opnayyar had remarked along with lata in fifties that if kishore takes singing seriously he will make chutti of the leading singers. kishore was not classically trained. i do not get driven by allapi whch can be done much eter than rafi by bhimsen, kumargandharva, pt jasraj or manna de, yesudas for that matter.

kishore hasd simly majestic divine voice matched to lata. the impact of the voice 9 there is no background) the depth sweetness and softness can be remarkably elt in "kab tak anfhere chalate rahenge", "ye jeevan hai", "jeeven se na har jeenewale". even when rafi alive and very much in vogue at the time of batobatome rajesh roshan used kishore rather than rafi for "kab tak andher".

simlarly s.d buran the mastero used manna des playback to kishore for all songsin 1968 when he used kishore for aradhana  to iill the politics create bygiving rafi's playback to kishore.

secondly sj.pn al used kishore but then he was usy in acting and rafi had become lead singer. it was very clear that kishore was the only competition to rafi aoprt from man de the punjabi lobby opn and sj decided at hat time not to displease the leading singer (rafi) at that time.i

i am fan of sd burman and sall chodhary and sdburman right from begining promoted kishore and stood by his side. he is regarded as the greatest mastero of india. ofcourse just as he sed lta/asha both he usd both kishore/rafi both. when uestioned y is consistent usage of kishore he saifd kishore/asha reere chte surs. after aradhana he said now kishore is my nly and prominent sur.

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Adnan Jun 14, 2009
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S.D Used Rafi for SOLO SONGS OF Guide.

  "Din Dhal Jaye Teri Yaad"

  "Kya se Kya Ho Gaya Bewafa Tere Pyar Mein"

  "Tere Mere Sapne Ab ek Rang Hain"

Your Fav. did not use ur fav.K.K FOR SUCH DIFFICULT TUNES.

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